Comments on: Video: In Every Seat http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/ What if evangelism meant just being yourself? Tue, 15 May 2012 01:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Helen http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-3534 Helen Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:23:28 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-3534 Thanks for your comment, Tonie. I know how you feel; I used to go to church every week and <a href="http://conversationattheedge.com/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/" rel="nofollow">now I don't go any more</a>. Thanks for your comment, Tonie.

I know how you feel; I used to go to church every week and now I don’t go any more.

]]> By: Tonie http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-3531 Tonie Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:55:35 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-3531 I used to be a believer, Videos like this used to mean something to me. Until I started reading the stuff my leaders told me never to bother with. How we believe by Micheal Shermer or videos like The god who wasn't there. I can't believe just how much great information is being surpressed for the will of God. I'm trying not to be bitter, but how can I not feel lied to? The people I'm sure all mean well and the soft music might bring someone to there altar but let me ask which altar? with over more then 3000 different denominations of protestants alone, Where should they go? Just show up. It said in the video. Should I go to the closest church to me? Which is a mormon church. They would agree with 100% of your video. I used to be a believer, Videos like this used to mean something to me. Until I started reading the stuff my leaders told me never to bother with. How we believe by Micheal Shermer or videos like The god who wasn’t there. I can’t believe just how much great information is being surpressed for the will of God. I’m trying not to be bitter, but how can I not feel lied to? The people I’m sure all mean well and the soft music might bring someone to there altar but let me ask which altar? with over more then 3000 different denominations of protestants alone, Where should they go? Just show up. It said in the video. Should I go to the closest church to me? Which is a mormon church. They would agree with 100% of your video.

]]> By: DoableEvangelism » Blog Archive » Conservative Christian changes mind http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-594 DoableEvangelism » Blog Archive » Conservative Christian changes mind Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:47:21 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-594 [...] A couple of weeks later I posted my first comment on an Off The Map blog. I think my first post was comment #18 on August 4th in a blog entry titled, In Every Seat, a video produced by Hope Baptist Church in Las Vegas. Jerry (who produced the video) and I hit it off immediately. I thought the video was fantastic, and still do. Jerry and I are still friends, and are still on the same page theologically (both conservative). In fact, I’m currently doing a devotional called “The Life of a Jesus Follower,” which his church produced. It’s very good and I recommend getting a copy of it for your church or personal use. [...] [...] A couple of weeks later I posted my first comment on an Off The Map blog. I think my first post was comment #18 on August 4th in a blog entry titled, In Every Seat, a video produced by Hope Baptist Church in Las Vegas. Jerry (who produced the video) and I hit it off immediately. I thought the video was fantastic, and still do. Jerry and I are still friends, and are still on the same page theologically (both conservative). In fact, I’m currently doing a devotional called “The Life of a Jesus Follower,” which his church produced. It’s very good and I recommend getting a copy of it for your church or personal use. [...]

]]> By: Helen http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-290 Helen Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:53:25 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-290 Andy, have you been to our '<a href="http://www.ordinaryattempts.org/" rel="nofollow">ordinary attempts' blog</a> yet? There are lots of stories on there of people showing God's love to others. Andy, have you been to our ‘ordinary attempts’ blog yet? There are lots of stories on there of people showing God’s love to others.

]]> By: Andy M http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-289 Andy M Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:50:33 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-289 <blockquote>Oh, yes, Lucy got a dagger. But only for self-defense, as best I understand ;)</blockquote> Doesn't that imply that she would need the dagger to defend herself against a real (non-imaginary) enemy and that it's intended purpose (for defense) was different than the intended purpose of the cordial? :) I'd like to follow up on my earlier comment about people not being the enemy. . . That means all people (not just other Christians). It means the world too. I spent my formative years in the buckle of the Bible Belt in America Greenville, SC (that's Bob Jones country) where most of what I heard from pulpits was railing against "the World" and it's unGodly influence and agenda. So many Chrisitans view the World as the enemy to be combatted, protested, and attacked at all costs. Essentially "the World" is made up of people. (Remember people are not the enemy. . .) To use Jesus as an example, the Bible says that God loved "the World" so much he gave his only Son so that whoever believed and accepted him as God's Son might not spend eternity separated from God but have Life (both now and forever). Who did Jesus reach out to and hang out with? Wasn't it "the World?": tax collectors, soldiers, prositiutes, fishermen, lepers, beggars? For whom did he reserve his harshest criticism? Wasn't it "church people" (religious people) of the day? People who totally missed what the Kingdom of God was really all about? I'm afraid that much of what the world sees as "the church" is not really about what Jesus was about. The song wirter got it right when they said "What the world needs now is Love sweet Love." The Bible says, "God is Love." I would ask Christians, "How much of your life is about God's Love? Do you know what that looks like? Have you experienced it yourself? Have you shared that story with anyone else? Or more importantly, Have been God's love in somebody's life? What did that look like? How did you feel before, during, and after?"

Oh, yes, Lucy got a dagger. But only for self-defense, as best I understand ;)

Doesn’t that imply that she would need the dagger to defend herself against a real (non-imaginary) enemy and that it’s intended purpose (for defense) was different than the intended purpose of the cordial? :)

I’d like to follow up on my earlier comment about people not being the enemy. . .

That means all people (not just other Christians). It means the world too. I spent my formative years in the buckle of the Bible Belt in America Greenville, SC (that’s Bob Jones country) where most of what I heard from pulpits was railing against “the World” and it’s unGodly influence and agenda. So many Chrisitans view the World as the enemy to be combatted, protested, and attacked at all costs. Essentially “the World” is made up of people. (Remember people are not the enemy. . .) To use Jesus as an example, the Bible says that God loved “the World” so much he gave his only Son so that whoever believed and accepted him as God’s Son might not spend eternity separated from God but have Life (both now and forever). Who did Jesus reach out to and hang out with? Wasn’t it “the World?”: tax collectors, soldiers, prositiutes, fishermen, lepers, beggars? For whom did he reserve his harshest criticism? Wasn’t it “church people” (religious people) of the day? People who totally missed what the Kingdom of God was really all about?

I’m afraid that much of what the world sees as “the church” is not really about what Jesus was about. The song wirter got it right when they said “What the world needs now is Love sweet Love.” The Bible says, “God is Love.” I would ask Christians, “How much of your life is about God’s Love? Do you know what that looks like? Have you experienced it yourself? Have you shared that story with anyone else? Or more importantly, Have been God’s love in somebody’s life? What did that look like? How did you feel before, during, and after?”

]]> By: Jim http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-283 Jim Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:53:02 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-283 Andy Thanks for your insights and inspiration Andy

Thanks for your insights and inspiration

]]> By: Helen M. http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-280 Helen M. Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:03:30 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-280 Oh, yes, Lucy got a dagger. But only for self-defense, as best I understand ;-) Oh, yes, Lucy got a dagger. But only for self-defense, as best I understand ;-)

]]> By: Helen M. http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-278 Helen M. Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:32:19 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-278 Thanks for your comments, Andy. I completely agree about learning and then using the language and culture of any people we're trying to communicate with. Thanks for your comments, Andy.

I completely agree about learning and then using the language and culture of any people we’re trying to communicate with.

]]> By: Andy M http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-274 Andy M Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:21:47 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-274 <blockquote>One of the things I love about the Off The Map atmosphere is the desire to communicate in terms that the communicatee understands. That’s what Jerry did … he communicated in a way the comunicatee would understand. </blockquote> It's interesting that no missionary in their right mind would go to another country without learning the language and culture of the people they were trying to reach. Picture if you will a bhuddist monk or an Islamic Imam in full regalia showing up at your door or at the mall, speaking to you about their religion in a language you didn't understand. Would you honestly give them more than a passing dismisal? But how many Christians do the exact same thing? They go to work or the park or a family picnic, speaking a language (Christianese) their friends and family don't understand and with no sensitivity or seeming awareness to the real cultural differences between them, spout something they heard someone else say and call that evangelism. A testimony is something you've experienced, something that happened to you. It is not simply the last story you heard someone else tell. Video is the language of American culture. It's not a bad place to start to share the stories of who Jesus is and what our relationship with him is all about.

One of the things I love about the Off The Map atmosphere is the desire to communicate in terms that the communicatee understands. That’s what Jerry did … he communicated in a way the comunicatee would understand.

It’s interesting that no missionary in their right mind would go to another country without learning the language and culture of the people they were trying to reach. Picture if you will a bhuddist monk or an Islamic Imam in full regalia showing up at your door or at the mall, speaking to you about their religion in a language you didn’t understand. Would you honestly give them more than a passing dismisal? But how many Christians do the exact same thing? They go to work or the park or a family picnic, speaking a language (Christianese) their friends and family don’t understand and with no sensitivity or seeming awareness to the real cultural differences between them, spout something they heard someone else say and call that evangelism. A testimony is something you’ve experienced, something that happened to you. It is not simply the last story you heard someone else tell.
Video is the language of American culture. It’s not a bad place to start to share the stories of who Jesus is and what our relationship with him is all about.

]]> By: Andy M http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Andy M Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:59:38 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/2006/08/04/video-in-every-seat/#comment-273 Hi, I'm new to the blog and the discussion, but thought I'd jump in with some observations. It is interesting concerning the war images and armor references, as Jerry mentioned the warfare is spiritual as is the enemy. One thing I've observed watching Christians my whole life is that so often they confuse the nature of their enemy. NEWS FLASH!!! people are not the enemy! Christians have been described as the only army who shoot their wounded. The Bible talks about an enemy who walks around like a roaring lion seeking people to devour. So the threat is real. . . but as is so often forgotten, people are not the enemy. One of the shameful tragedies of the crusades is that human beings took up their swords (literally) and in the name of Jesus, made sure that people agreed with them. But the message of Jesus is really the opposite of that. Jesus calls people who follow him to lay down their swords and following his example, pick up their towels to "wash the feet" of their brothers and sisters . . .even strangers. That kind of service is humbling and dirty. How many people live with the mentality that they can't get their "church clothes" dirty, but spend their lives missing what Jesus is about (the whole point) because they don't want to get "dirty." It seems to me that OA is about being real, honest, ordinary. It can be a real problem when people who say they follow Jesus (but miss what he is all about) are real, honest, ordinary they're just not nice, selfless, or all that helpful. The key to lifestyle evangelism is living a life that is worth sharing with people. Seriously what's so great about being mean, angry, bitter, judgemental, selfish, and rude? Getting back to the video, I know the people in the video and can say that what people find engaging and less Baptist is the result of those people simply being themselves and sharing their hearts (what really moves them) on camera. Sorry if I rambled. Oh yeah, btw, didn't Lucy get a dagger along with the healing cordial? Hi,
I’m new to the blog and the discussion, but thought I’d jump in with some observations. It is interesting concerning the war images and armor references, as Jerry mentioned the warfare is spiritual as is the enemy. One thing I’ve observed watching Christians my whole life is that so often they confuse the nature of their enemy. NEWS FLASH!!! people are not the enemy! Christians have been described as the only army who shoot their wounded. The Bible talks about an enemy who walks around like a roaring lion seeking people to devour. So the threat is real. . . but as is so often forgotten, people are not the enemy.
One of the shameful tragedies of the crusades is that human beings took up their swords (literally) and in the name of Jesus, made sure that people agreed with them. But the message of Jesus is really the opposite of that. Jesus calls people who follow him to lay down their swords and following his example, pick up their towels to “wash the feet” of their brothers and sisters . . .even strangers. That kind of service is humbling and dirty. How many people live with the mentality that they can’t get their “church clothes” dirty, but spend their lives missing what Jesus is about (the whole point) because they don’t want to get “dirty.”
It seems to me that OA is about being real, honest, ordinary. It can be a real problem when people who say they follow Jesus (but miss what he is all about) are real, honest, ordinary they’re just not nice, selfless, or all that helpful. The key to lifestyle evangelism is living a life that is worth sharing with people. Seriously what’s so great about being mean, angry, bitter, judgemental, selfish, and rude?
Getting back to the video, I know the people in the video and can say that what people find engaging and less Baptist is the result of those people simply being themselves and sharing their hearts (what really moves them) on camera.

Sorry if I rambled. Oh yeah, btw, didn’t Lucy get a dagger along with the healing cordial?

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