Why you Need to be at The Revolution
Some events in our lives are nodal – The birth of a child, marriage, death of a loved one,gaduating from school.
Each year Off The Map hosts an event- also called a conference and for some reason I think this years will prove to be a nodal event for many people who come.
Over the next couple of months I will be featuring on this blog the people who will be coming to the Revolution Conference.
I will intro this with a longer piece titled Why You Need To Be At The Revolution
Why You Need to be at The Revolution
As I see it, electricity is far and away the most significant invention/discovery in human history.
Like most significant ideas – electricity was known but not utilized until someone figured out how to harness or we might say “package” it. It was there but it was dormant. Eventually someone who needed for it to “work” in a practical way, someone who was tired of matches, candles and the inevitable fire created the light bulb.
Thomas Edison harnessed electricity by bringing together opposites – positive and negative poles. This creation shed light, power and energy across decades and generations. Look around you. If you live in a city or even a farm, virtually everything you can see or touch has been touched by electricity.
Innovation lies at the intersection of opposites
All Change begins with an idea. Ideas are crucial. Gandhi had an idea- get the British to “quit India” peacefully. Martin Luther King had an idea – “I have a Dream… where men are not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”.
These men had to bring together groups with different agendas and motives. They had to create dialog in the midst of difference and they had to do it without abandoning their core values.
Off The Map has an idea
We want the church to be relevant. We want onlookers to once again associate the church with Jesus instead of “Jesus Yes- Church No”. We want to help Christians be normal.
In order to do this we need to bring together serious Jesus followers – thinker/practitioners – from a wide variety of backgrounds who can help us see and mostly feel what this kind of church might look like.
Like all movements in their early stages these kinds of people identify themselves by a variety of titles. Some are called missionalists, some emerging and some revolutionaries. It all depends who you ask. Some try and avoid titles and leave it up to their enemies to name them – like the Quakers and Shakers.
You Say You Want A Revolution
Like electricity this church already exists its but lies dormant. Every year Off The Map gathers for a couple of days to consider, reflect, celebrate and learn what this new kind of Church might look like. We bring together people from opposite poles to think together and expose each other to the practices they find most effective in connecting with the onlookers – the people Jesus misses most.
This year we’ve invited Brian McLaren who is perhaps the kindest revolutionary thinker you will ever hear. We invite Brian not because he is smart (he is) or controversial (he is) but because he is kind. Anyone can be provocative but doing it without being mean, small minded, defensive or petty- that’s a whole different skill. if you want to learn how to do that you need to come to the Revolution and watch Brian work.
We are honored as well to have George Barna present at this year’s event. In fact the conference title was inspired by the name of his recent book – Revolution (with a little help from the Beatles as well). I have had the pleasure of working closely with George this past year and my respect for him grows deeper every time we meet. If you are unfamiliar with his work, he is the George Gallup of the Evangelical church. More than anyone else George can tell us specifically what the condition of the church is in our culture and why he thinks we need a revolution. It is a rare opportunity to get to hear George so you won’t want to miss him.
These two men represent very different poles of the church. Brian is without question the elder statesman of the latest trend in church –the emerging church movement. He is held in high esteem by young leaders for speaking the truth about the church and giving innovative direction for the future.
George has been the trusted guide for thousands of pastors as he has given them feedback about the direction (or misdirection) of the church in American culture. He has been the conscience of mainstream evangelicalism for the past twenty years. He is not an emerging guy. He is a conservative, passionate follower of Jesus.
The Conversation –Jim Henderson’s unique interview will bring George and Brian together on the same stage for a public conversation on how we can make the church a better place. Jim will also invite a number of young leaders to engage with these men as well.
Sundance for Christians
The Sundance film festival was the first film festival to focus on the lesser known but not less talented filmmakers in our culture. They started the independent film festival (indies) movement of which there are hundreds today.
Off The Map is Sundance for Christians. We feature not only well known people like McLaren and Barna but also the “indies”, the people who are not yet famous but whose ideas and practices need much wider exposure. These people are all over (and off) the map when it comes to their theological orientation but they are all passionate and heartfelt followers of Jesus.
People like Sunil Sardar from India who is leading the charge to end the 3000 year old caste system
People like Nancy Murphy – a leading advocate for the powerless and the invisible here and around the world.
People like Bruce Logue, a fifty nine year old church planter who is developing his church one conversation at a time
People like Dave Richards – by day a high tech entrepreneur and by night (and day) a leading proponent for the micro finance movement
People like Helen Mildenhall – once a Christian insider now almost an atheist (but still vitally interested in Jesus)
People like Spencer Burke – founder of the ooze.com – the cyber center of the emergent conversation.
People like 3 Lost people who will tell us what the Church, Christianity and you and I look like through their lens – fasten your seatbelts
People like Jason Clark, Mike Howerton, Chris Marshall. Jason Evans and Kevin Rains all young innovative church planter/thinkers
People like MaryKate Morse – a pacifist professor who is passionate about keeping spiritual formation grounded in reality
People like Christine Wicker – journalist, author and ex fundamentalist
Opposites Attract
Many people have told us that Off The Map is the very best conference they have ever been to. The secret is not the speakers. The secret is that we have more fun than you can imagine. Our 75 volunteers look forward to this event each year. They love being interested in others. They love asking people questions about themselves and most of all they love introducing people to each other. If you come to Off The Map alone you won’t leave without several new friends. Stand in one place too long and someone is bound to approach you and ask you “What’s your excuse for being here”.
You’ll meet people you would most likely never run into anywhere else and the most amazing thing happens. – you end up liking people you didn’t think you would like. And as we say “When people like each other – the rules change” And when the rules change anything can happen – We might even discover a way to harness all the electricity that is bound up inside the church and help release it to make the church and the world a better place.
August 30th, 2006 · 43 Comments
Categories: Doable Evangelism
Helen said
am August 31 2006 @ 6:23 am
Wow, neat! Thanks, Jim.
Of course I’m already committed to going – but if I hadn’t been, this would have made me think seriously about it.
I really like this:
In my opinion, creating dialog in the midst of difference is the only way to discover we have enough in common to work together for good notwithstanding our different labels.
Mike O said
am August 31 2006 @ 10:53 am
Jim, what a great writeup! To be perfectly honest, I never even considered going because a) it’s too far away, and b) I figured it would be too “soft-sell” for my taste (right or wrong, I’m just being honest about my thoughts).
But ater reading this, I actually decided that this is something I wanted to try to go. As it turns out I can’t, but DANG IT! Now I wish I could! Sounds like you’ll have a great mix of people and I would have LOVED to meet some of you guys! SHOOT! Oh, well, I’ll get over it.
Just in case I can swing it (doubtful, but a boy can dream, can’t he??), will there be a time where us bloggers can kind of get together for some kind of a mixer?
Will it be offered again next year?
Helen said
am August 31 2006 @ 12:59 pm
Mike wrote:
Definitely – we’re working on that.
I would have liked to meet you there too, Mike!
At first I thought I couldn’t go because I have a commitment at home on that Saturday afternoon. But then I realized I could go for the Friday part of the conference and fly home in time for my Saturday afternoon commitment (if the airlines co-operate somewhat), so that’s what I’m going to do.
vynette said
am August 31 2006 @ 5:44 pm
“All Change begins with an idea. Ideas are crucial…”
Agreed! What I am proposing is a true ‘revolution’ in thinking. What I am proposing is a return to a set of truths that are as old as the New Testament.
Doctrines such as the Trinity, Virgin Birth, and the various ‘divinity’ teachings are products of tradition only. They are unscriptural – demonstrably so.
They impose a barrier between Jesus of Nazareth and the rest of humanity;
they misrepresent the values he stood for; they falsify the issues that brought him into collision with the priests; and they distort the motives of those who caused him to be crucified.
Most of all, they conceal the fact that these same issues are just as much alive today as they were in 30AD.
The simple message of the New Testament has been made utterly meaningless by doctrines that teach Jesus was any other than a normal man.
God’s controversy with man began in the Garden of Eden and has continued through the ages right to this present moment. It is a controversy that demands of man that he weigh all things in the balances and find true measure.
Jesus warned his followers to beware the teachings of the Priests. This warning was given at the end of the Abrahamic period. Now, after nearly two thousand years of the New Covenant, nothing has changed.
It’s time for a real revolution…
Helen said
am August 31 2006 @ 6:40 pm
vynette, are you considering coming to our conference?
Bruce said
am August 31 2006 @ 7:20 pm
Jim, you’re driving me nuts. I feel like a kid looking at the Christmas tree but who can’t touch the presents.
I can’t wait for November!
Pam Hogeweide said
am August 31 2006 @ 11:18 pm
great writing jim.
Jim said
am September 1 2006 @ 12:29 am
Thanks you guys
Mike O – I hope that you might be able to make it as well
Mike O said
am September 1 2006 @ 2:48 am
I really wish I could. Especially after reading Vynette and I’m going, “Where did she get that??” I love when people make me go “Huh??” Vynette’s comments made me feel how I think Christians make non-Christians feel — the ideas are so foreign that we just reject them out of hand.
How hard would it be for Vynette to win me over theologically? Extremely hard if all she did was argue her point. And how hard is it for me to ‘win over’ a non-C? Extremely, if all I do is argue my point. Arguments alone will never work. It would take a personal friendship with Vynette for me to even consider changing my beliefs to fit hers. And it will take a personal relationship (OAs!!!!) for a non-C to even consider changing their beliefs to fit mine.
I hope that came out right … my intent was not to analyze Vynette at, but my response to her.
Vynette, what’s your background?
Anyway, about the conference … I just can’t. The conference itself is priced right, but by the time I fly/drive, hotel, etc. I’m looking at several hundred dollars, and I just can’t swing it this fall.
Jim said
am September 1 2006 @ 10:05 am
MIke O
Nice job reflecting how your experience with Vynette translates into how the missing think about us.
I understand about the money
Helen M. said
am September 1 2006 @ 10:42 am
Mike O wrote:
Mike, being able to take your reaction and turn it around that way and say “Hey, this is probably how other people feel when I do such-and-such” is a valuable gift/skill. I’m glad you have it.
I took a UU course some years ago and when I was there feeling uncomfortable and like an outsider I suddenly thought “Hey, this is probably what visitors to MY church feel like” – and then I was glad I had that experience, so I could remember what it feels like when people have a shared understanding and shared relationships that you don’t share with them.
vynette said
am September 1 2006 @ 6:58 pm
Sorry all, I didn’t read the original post carefully enough. I didn’t realise it was for those considering attending the conference. Instead, I put up some ‘revolutionary’ ideas for people to think about.
I would come to the conference if I didn’t live on the other side of world. (Australia).
Mike O, as to my background, I usually don’t talk about it because (1) I think it’s irrelevant to my message but (2) also to stop people ‘pigeonholing’ me.
Which they attempt to do…all the time.
But since your query seems genuine, I’ll just say that I was raised in a Roman Catholic convent but, in my twenties, was drawn to group of people who shared the same values and ideals as myself. We recognise that Jesus of Nazareth lived and died for ‘truth’ and have committed ourselves to the same purpose regardless of cost. The name of the group is T.M Wixted & Company.
Helen M. said
am September 1 2006 @ 7:26 pm
vynette, I’m sorry you live too far away to come to the conference.
I hate being ‘pigeonholed’ also.
What does it mean, specifically, for you to live and die for ‘truth’? I’m just curious what that means in terms of daily living.
Pam Sardar said
am September 2 2006 @ 4:58 am
The simple message of the New Testament has been made utterly meaningless by doctrines that teach Jesus was any other than a normal man.
Vynette, I don’t understand what you mean by Jesus being a normal man. Can you further clarify that?
These conversations are so thought provoking! Jim, I loved what you wrote! It’s a good thing I’m coming to the conference; I would be so jealous if it were just Sunil! He keeps asking me, “who are you writing to?” I just say, “I’m making new friends for us.”
I think God is really doing something significant and relevant world wide; something we may never have experienced in the history of us. It is exciting!
vynette said
am September 2 2006 @ 6:30 am
Helen, daily life for me means fighting establishment corruption – manipulation, deception, distortion, lies – whether that be religious, political or social.
That’s what Jesus did. For me, that’s what trying to follow in his footsteps is all about. How else can we bring about the Kingdom of God on earth?
I must say, though, my passion is gospel truth – especially truth about Jesus.
And that leads me to clarify my ‘Jesus being a normal man’ statement for Pam. Sorry but it’s necessarily quite long.
Of Jesus the apostles taught:
That he was God’s ‘anointed’ who would one day sit on the throne of David and rule over the Kingdom of God on earth.
That he was ‘anointed’ with full power and authority to speak and act in the name of the Father and to perform the specific tasks spoken of by Isaiah the prophet (Is.61).
That he was the ‘son’ of God by human parentage* (John 1:34, 45, 49) though not the son of Joseph as commonly supposed at the time (Matt. 1:25).
That he was a ‘god’ in the sense in which he used it himself, that is, a man “unto whom the word of God came.” (John 10:34) On his reasoning, Moses and the prophets were also ‘gods’.
That he was the ‘only-begotten’ of God because he was the only-resurrected, not because he was born to a virgin or a person of the trinity, or divine.
That his ‘sonship’ of God refers to a purely ‘ethical’ relationship.
The doctrines that have been constructed around the personality of Jesus make it appear that it is Jesus’ value in the sight of humanity that is important,
whereas his true value is value in the sight of God.
Jesus made the formal announcement of his ‘anointing’ in Luke 4:18-19…
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
As part of his ‘job description’, so to speak, it was necessary that Jesus be empowered. But, at all times, the actual power came from God. Jesus was careful to make this distinction between himself and the Father on many occasions.
To claim that Jesus was anything other than a normal man because he performed miracles, raised the dead, and forgave sins, is to overlook the fact that the Bible ascribes these feats to others as well as he.
The ‘gentile’ fathers’ failure to understand Hebrew ideas about their God and their ‘messiah’ gave rise to the ‘trinity’ and the various ‘divinity’ teachings.
Eternal life is to be found in spirit, not doctrines. Jesus’ true message, unfettered by doctrines, brings hope and a sense of human dignity to the despised and rejected of the Earth.
The New Testament writers enumerate principles to follow in order that Christians living many centuries later may become one with Jesus. Where John preached the gospel of love, Paul announced redemption by an inner and spiritual identification with Jesus, with a self-imposed crucifixion and resurrection.
Church doctrines such as the trinity can deliver no such message. If Jesus of Nazareth walked the earth today, he would be unidentifiable in those terms.
* human mother, human father.
Helen said
am September 2 2006 @ 6:33 am
Pam, I am so looking forward to meeting you at the conference – I love your posts!
Here’s something Vynette wrote which summarizes a number of her beliefs: “Is the ‘Emergent Movement’ doomed already?”
What fascinates me is the way we create our groups. Evangelical Christians traditionally have made “Is Jesus God?” one of the non-negotiable starting points for entering the group. Anyone like Vynette who (gasp!) forcefully denies this doctrine is a false teacher which is about the worst thing you can be according to Scripture. (It’s not just traditional evangelicals who do this but in practice it’s more of an issue in their communities than in other Christian communities)
But if we created our group by saying “Who is intrigued by Jesus? Who sees things they like about him when they read the gospel narratives? Who wants to be like him in some ways?” then – it would look very different. Vynette would definitely be in it. So would lots of other people the traditional evangelical church classifies as ‘lowest of the low’. And – in my opinion – it would probably look a lot more like the group of people who hung around Jesus when he was here.
Helen said
am September 2 2006 @ 7:32 am
Sorry Vynette, I commented at the same time as you – I probably didn’t need to give the link to something you wrote in view of your comments you just made.
You wrote:
Thanks. I think that’s what Jesus did too. I would say he also did things for individuals which broken with convention. But perhaps that’s included in what you said.
Mike O said
am September 2 2006 @ 8:20 am
Helen said: But if we created our group by saying “Who is intrigued by Jesus? Who sees things they like about him when they read the gospel narratives? Who wants to be like him in some ways?” then – it would look very different. Vynette would definitely be in it. So would lots of other people the traditional evangelical church classifies as ‘lowest of the low’. And – in my opinion – it would probably look a lot more like the group of people who hung around Jesus when he was here.
Oh, if only that was how it worked! I, too, wish we got to decide what the rules were on “who’s in” and “who’s out.” If it were up to me, I’d let everybody in, even the really bad people like Hitler and the terrorists. Because, hey, it’s not their fault they believed what they did. These guys are all passionate about God, so they should be in, too.
then – it would look very different.
Yes, it would. But it wouldn’t be Christianity. You’re talking some other religion now.
And – in my opinion – it would probably look a lot more like the group of people who hung around Jesus when he was here.
It might, but you’re making the assumption that everyone Jesus hung around with followed him, which they obviously didn’t because he didn’t have that many followers.
If Jesus went to a bar today, and a few decided to follow him, Christ would number those who followed him as his disciples. It sounds like you would include everyone in the bar. I understand that desire, but that’s not Christianity.
I’m not saying I’m right about everything. I just don’t see in scripture, which I believe is the final authority, how what your saying can be supported.
Mike O said
am September 2 2006 @ 8:24 am
To Vynette in #15, while I don’t agree with much you have said here at face value, you did make one excellent point:
To claim that Jesus was anything other than a normal man because he performed miracles, raised the dead, and forgave sins, is to overlook the fact that the Bible ascribes these feats to others as well as he.
I hadn’t thought of that before. Good point. Not the forgiving of sins, but the miracles. Nobody else forgave sins (I guess I’ve never actually looked into that … did anyone else forgive sins?)
Helen said
am September 2 2006 @ 8:30 am
Mike O wrote:
Ok, so it’s not Christianity. But – so what? Why does that matter?
Yes, I’m being provocative
Helen said
am September 2 2006 @ 8:38 am
What I’m thinking is, why do we draw lines where Jesus didn’t draw them?
The disciples were actually in training to be the apostles – they were a select group. So I don’t think it’s exactly relevant to liken just those 12 guys (what about the women who DID follow Jesus, for example) with all those who have a desire to follow Jesus today.
Yes I include everyone who is in the bar because they have some sort of interest in hearing Jesus. I also include people who happened to be in there already and who were a bit interested by his showing up and what he said and did.
I’d only exclude people who left because they didn’t like it when Jesus showed up.
But only on that day because they might later decide they were a bit interested after all.
See here’s the thing. I’m not making some big absolutely statement about what this group is, except ‘people with some interest in Jesus’.
That’s as far as I go. My questions are: when the traditional evangelical church goes way further are they following Jesus’ example? Or are they going beyond where he went? If they are following one thing he said are they appropriately working into that the complexity of everything he said and the way that mixes together?
Jim said
am September 2 2006 @ 8:56 am
I like this idea and agree with Helen that if all we want to do is replicate our current and certainly culturally biased understanding of Christianity – then I think we NEED a new kind of Christianity.
I understand that I cannot “technically agree” with Vynettes views concerning the trinity etc but I like her passion and her heart and dedication. And so far she is “staying in the room” with people she already knows disagree with her. She is being respectful.
I have to say that (in my experience) most evangelicals (not including you in this Mike) cannot do what Vynettes doing. Once they hear what they dont want to hear – they are gone – because we have been taught that what matters most is correct doctrine aka “beliefism”
Bottom line – All of us are guessing about what the real Jesus story is and then finding facts from history that support our view. Some of us have devoted more time than others to this cause and some of us have stopped caring and moved onto the task at hand which is redefining what it means to be a follower of Jesus.
vynette said
am September 2 2006 @ 1:42 pm
“Yes, it would. But it wouldn’t be Christianity. You’re talking some other religion now.”
Mike O: What then, is your criteria for ‘Christianity’?
As to the ‘forgiveness of sins’, many hold that if Jesus had no claim to Deity, then he had no right to forgive sins.
The most quoted text is:
“Which is easier, to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins are forgiven; or to say, Arise, take up thy bed and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath authority on earth to forgive sins (he saith to the sick of the palsy) I say unto thee, Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thy house. And he arose and straightaway took up his bed and went forth before them all: insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, we never saw it on this fashion.” (Mark 2:9)
From the parallel account of the same incident given in Matthew, we learn that the people “were afraid and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.” (Matt.9:8)
It must not be overlooked that the disciples were men and they also forgave sins. It is splitting straws to say that they did it in the name of Jesus, for Jesus himself did it in the name of the God who had anointed him. (See Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:17, John 20:21-23).
Had to bold the crucial words.
Helen said
am September 2 2006 @ 2:02 pm
Thanks Vynette.
Earlier this year we set up a discussion board where people could discuss any topic they wish to. When a discussion develops in the comments section which isn’t directly related to the blog entry we like to take that discussion there. You’re welcome to join the discussion board and talk about why you think Jesus isn’t divine on it, if you wish to. Here’s the link to it:
CatE Discussion Board
(You need to register to post there)
Feel free to continue posting here too – I’m just trying to keep this from straying too far from the original blog entry topic!
Mike O said
am September 2 2006 @ 7:58 pm
Helen, to your question in #20, “Ok, so it’s not Christianity. But – so what? Why does that matter?” perhaps I misunderstood (what you said in #16). If we’re talking about groups we gather together, like a church for example, I would be with you all the way. If we’re talking about defining what Christianity ‘should be,’ that’s where I think you’d be getting into error.
It’s easy for people who are reading these posts to think we’re talking about “Christianity should be like this” when really we’re talking about “we should be able to associate in groups like this.” That’s all … I was just making a distinction I think is important.
To Vynette in #23, “What then, is your criteria for ‘Christianity’?
” My perspective on it is the mainline evangelical Christian perspective. I realize not everyone agrees … I’m just saying where I’m coming from because you asked. I believe that to be a Christian, you have to believe that Jesus is God and that the only way to salvation is through him.
Regarding Jesus, he was a man. And he was God. So the verses you cited don’t say he wasn’t God.
How about you define Christianity?
vynette said
am September 3 2006 @ 2:26 am
Hello all…I would like to put forward my definition of Christianity to Mike but, as Helen has already pointed out, it is way off topic so unless you all really want to read it, I’ll leave it for now. Helen suggested the CatE discussion board so maybe there.
Helen said
am September 3 2006 @ 4:10 am
Thanks Vynette.
The topic may come up in a CatE blog entry soon
– feel free to elaborate there if it does.
Mike O said
am September 3 2006 @ 5:40 am
Sounds good.
Pam Sardar said
am September 3 2006 @ 6:42 am
Pam, I am so looking forward to meeting you at the conference – I love your posts!
Thanks, Helen…I love yours, too! In fact, I was just talking about some of your posts to my two oldest daughters. Looking forward to meeting you at the conference, too!
And that leads me to clarify my ‘Jesus being a normal man’ statement for Pam.
Thanks for that, Vynette! Wow…amazing what can happen when you go away for 24 hours! Sometimes these blogs can be a little frustrating because all I want to do is sit down and have a nice long conversation over coffee, but we can only do one comment/question at a time.
Guess the advantage is good…we get to talk to people in the USA, New Delhi (that’s me) and Australia! Hard to find the time, though, with 3 daughters (2 who are teens) and a todder to chase (literally!)
Vynette says in #15: Eternal life is to be found in spirit, not doctrines. Jesus’ true message, unfettered by doctrines, brings hope and a sense of human dignity to the despised and rejected of the Earth.
I couldn’t agree with you more! Jesus talked to the precious woman at the well (desperate for a little human dignity) about worshipping in spirit and truth. He said, “the Father is seeking just such people as His worshippers” Later, in the the book of John, Jesus says “I and the Father are One.”
How does that work for you?
On his reasoning, Moses and the prophets were also ‘gods’.
Vynette, do you set Jesus apart from Moses and the prophets? Why follow him over them? Did he lead a sinless life? Is that what sets him apart?
To Vynette in #15 I must say, though, my passion is gospel truth – especially truth about Jesus.
Me, too! In fact, the movement we represent here in India is called Truthseekers, International.
Pam Sardar said
am September 3 2006 @ 6:45 am
sorry…that last bit may be a little confusing. I have problems with the different fonts for some odd reason. Hope it’s readable!
Helen said
am September 3 2006 @ 6:51 am
No problem, Pam. I think I fixed it, maybe
. The easiest way to use tags is, 1) write the part you want italicized (or you want to be a link, or whatever) 2) highlight it with the mouse, 3) click the tag. That’s the best way to avoid unbalanced tags, because that will put both the beginning and ending one in for you at the same time.
Helen said
am September 3 2006 @ 7:20 am
Ok everyone, here’s a blog entry (it’s on the CatE blog, not the discussion board, so you don’t have to register to participate) just for questions for Vynette.
Questions for Vynette
I hope this gives y’all freedom to ask Vynette the questions you want to ask and Vynette freedom to respond as she wishes.
vynette said
am September 3 2006 @ 7:46 am
Thanks, Helen
Pam Sardar said
am September 3 2006 @ 10:56 am
Thanks from me too, Helen!
Mike O said
am September 3 2006 @ 12:46 pm
Me, too!
Helen M. said
am September 4 2006 @ 6:54 pm
The September edition of our e-zine is now out!
E-zine visitors, please feel free to join the discussion on “Why You Need to be at The Revolution” already underway.
Read the new e-zine and subscribe here:
Off The Map e-zine – September 2006
John Henderson, your long aka lost brother said
am September 5 2006 @ 1:27 pm
Jimmy,
John Henderson , your long aka lost brother , here, coming up for air after the jerusalem project in August. I’d tellyou about it but I am afraid that the Jews and the Muslims are about to kill me. Sort of like being Mel Gibson , on steroids..
Well, I’ll come if I can stay at your house, bro
and if I get credit for the DMin with Bakke, work it out.
Hendo
p.s. thou almost persuadeth me to come. OK, you help me start a Jerusalem Project franchise with Russians/Ukrainians and the Mercer island group. done.
Meagan said
am September 5 2006 @ 4:04 pm
I do not want to miss this… however, I live in Texas. Is there any chance of OTM ever bringing this conference closer to me?
Rachel S said
am September 5 2006 @ 8:32 pm
I went to the conference last year, Mike. It may be a lot of things but definitely not a “soft-sell” – it’s all about radical, revolutionary Christianity! I wish you could come – hopefully next year.
Mike O said
am September 6 2006 @ 2:15 am
Was that supposed to make me feel better? Just kidding – I really wish I could be there!
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am October 12 2006 @ 9:55 am
[...] But over time, the more I got to know you guys, the more I liked you. ALL of you! Sure, we don’t agree on everything, but so what? It was Jim’s write-up on Why You Need to be at the Revolution Conference that changed my mind. The date on that post was August 30th, about 4 weeks since I had arrived. I had sure come a long way in 4 weeks. [...]
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am October 12 2006 @ 3:51 pm
[...] That wasn’t the end of the story, though: But over time, the more I got to know you guys, the more I liked you. ALL of you! Sure, we don’t agree on everything, but so what? It was Jim’s write-up on Why You Need to be at the Revolution Conference that changed my mind. [...]
David said
am March 8 2008 @ 10:59 am
Vynette is 100% correct regarding the falsity of the doctrines of virgin birth and trinity.
You ought not be frightened over her comments and researching them out because the truth shall set you free.