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		<title>By: Missional Evangelism &#171; Emerging Chaos</title>
		<link>http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/comment-page-3/#comment-18067</link>
		<dc:creator>Missional Evangelism &#171; Emerging Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for this event - catching up with Dan Kimball, currently listening to Randy Siever talk about the Myth of Pre-Evangelism and looking forward to hearing Todd Hunter talk about 3 is Enough and The Cultural Context for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for this event &#8211; catching up with Dan Kimball, currently listening to Randy Siever talk about the Myth of Pre-Evangelism and looking forward to hearing Todd Hunter talk about 3 is Enough and The Cultural Context for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Conversational Evangelism—Another Part of Todd&#8217;s Life Three Is Enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conversational Evangelism—Another Part of Todd&#8217;s Life Three Is Enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the myth of pre-evangelism. You can read more about this interesting topic on Randy&#8217;s blog (http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/). Randy also reported on his experience at CEC Phoenix. Gary Poole inspired many people to start [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the myth of pre-evangelism. You can read more about this interesting topic on Randy&#8217;s blog (<a href="http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/" rel="nofollow">http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/</a>). Randy also reported on his experience at CEC Phoenix. Gary Poole inspired many people to start [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doable Evangelism &#187; The CEC Phoenix Style</title>
		<link>http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/comment-page-3/#comment-17861</link>
		<dc:creator>Doable Evangelism &#187; The CEC Phoenix Style</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did one called &#8220;Busting the Myth of Pre-evangelism&#8221;, requested by Jim Henderson after my little article here elicited so many comments.  It was very fun and interactive, and was a great lead in to my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] did one called &#8220;Busting the Myth of Pre-evangelism&#8221;, requested by Jim Henderson after my little article here elicited so many comments.  It was very fun and interactive, and was a great lead in to my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henderson</title>
		<link>http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/comment-page-3/#comment-17471</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Benjamin I was going with the Biblical tradition &lt;/blockquote&gt;


Nothing moves me more than 2 ex christians taking care of their christian colleagues sensitivities :-) 

Christine W practices that same kind of spirituality as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Benjamin I was going with the Biblical tradition </p></blockquote>
<p>Nothing moves me more than 2 ex christians taking care of their christian colleagues sensitivities <img src='http://doableevangelism.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Christine W practices that same kind of spirituality as well</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henderson</title>
		<link>http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/comment-page-3/#comment-17470</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niles you said 
&lt;blockquote&gt;My understanding of DE, from my reading of the article and subsequent comments, is that the deeds are done with the beneficiaries not even aware their benefactors are Christian&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes that is correct. Not to be too cute- we got this idea from Jesus.

Check out the number of times he failed to properly self identify &quot;this miracle was brought to you through yoru friends in heaven&quot; - with the woman at the well , Zaccheus and even the Centurion.

Along those same lines check out all of Matt 25 and then help me understand why a God who was an anxious as getting the credit ( you imply he desires) would spend 30 years doing nothing and then only 3 trying to communicate his message( and not doing such a great job of that - all 12 quit the cause)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niles you said </p>
<blockquote><p>My understanding of DE, from my reading of the article and subsequent comments, is that the deeds are done with the beneficiaries not even aware their benefactors are Christian</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes that is correct. Not to be too cute- we got this idea from Jesus.</p>
<p>Check out the number of times he failed to properly self identify &#8220;this miracle was brought to you through yoru friends in heaven&#8221; &#8211; with the woman at the well , Zaccheus and even the Centurion.</p>
<p>Along those same lines check out all of Matt 25 and then help me understand why a God who was an anxious as getting the credit ( you imply he desires) would spend 30 years doing nothing and then only 3 trying to communicate his message( and not doing such a great job of that &#8211; all 12 quit the cause)</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/comment-page-3/#comment-17469</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Randy!

Benjamin I was going with the Biblical tradition :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Randy!</p>
<p>Benjamin I was going with the Biblical tradition <img src='http://doableevangelism.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: benjamin ady</title>
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		<dc:creator>benjamin ady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen,

  very culturally sensitive of you, by the way, to use the masculine pronoun for God. Way to go =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen,</p>
<p>  very culturally sensitive of you, by the way, to use the masculine pronoun for God. Way to go =)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/comment-page-3/#comment-17462</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen,

You know, for someone who is almost an athiest, you sure are good at explaining this Doable Evangelism idea!  Wow...

&lt;blockquote&gt;If the doer pushes the point about the Holy Spirit leading it will sound like “I didn’t do it just because I like you or because I care - I did it because I was told to”. That will disappoint the person they did the good deed for and may even make him/her feel manipulated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m using that idea from now on.  Very simple and powerful.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s pretty hard to hide being a Christian from anyone you spend time with. It’s going to come up somehow - what’s on your bookshelf, how you spend Sundays, what else you do outside work. If they like you they’ll be curious about your life.

But also, DE presupposes God wants to be found. Which means he can be trusted to be part of the process, creating opportunities when the time is right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is perhaps the most simple and profound observation on this entire string.  Beautiful.  Thank you, Helen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen,</p>
<p>You know, for someone who is almost an athiest, you sure are good at explaining this Doable Evangelism idea!  Wow&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>If the doer pushes the point about the Holy Spirit leading it will sound like “I didn’t do it just because I like you or because I care &#8211; I did it because I was told to”. That will disappoint the person they did the good deed for and may even make him/her feel manipulated.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m using that idea from now on.  Very simple and powerful.</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s pretty hard to hide being a Christian from anyone you spend time with. It’s going to come up somehow &#8211; what’s on your bookshelf, how you spend Sundays, what else you do outside work. If they like you they’ll be curious about your life.</p>
<p>But also, DE presupposes God wants to be found. Which means he can be trusted to be part of the process, creating opportunities when the time is right.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is perhaps the most simple and profound observation on this entire string.  Beautiful.  Thank you, Helen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been really good.  It&#039;s helped/helping me clarify a lot of things in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been really good.  It&#8217;s helped/helping me clarify a lot of things in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://doableevangelism.com/2008/06/01/busting-the-myth-of-pre-evangelism/comment-page-3/#comment-17460</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niles, if someone has a good deed done for them, they appreciate the deed but they also are moved by the thought, wow, someone likes me or cares about me enough to do that for me.

If the doer pushes the point about the Holy Spirit leading it will sound like &quot;I didn&#039;t do it just because I like you or because I care - I did it because I was told to&quot;. That will disappoint the person they did the good deed for and may even make him/her feel manipulated.

The only way those words can be positive (imo) is if there&#039;s enough relationship by that time for the person to believe they are liked/cared for and so they&#039;ll heard it as a both/and, not an either/or.

&lt;blockquote&gt;How are the unsaved eventually to open the door for us to share more information about Christ if they don’t even know it is He who we represent? Why would they bother to ask us about Him if it isn’t known at some point we are Christian?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s pretty hard to hide being a Christian from anyone you spend time with. It&#039;s going to come up somehow - what&#039;s on your bookshelf, how you spend Sundays, what else you do outside work. If they like you they&#039;ll be curious about your life.

But also, DE presupposes God wants to be found. Which means he can be trusted to be part of the process, creating opportunities when the time is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niles, if someone has a good deed done for them, they appreciate the deed but they also are moved by the thought, wow, someone likes me or cares about me enough to do that for me.</p>
<p>If the doer pushes the point about the Holy Spirit leading it will sound like &#8220;I didn&#8217;t do it just because I like you or because I care &#8211; I did it because I was told to&#8221;. That will disappoint the person they did the good deed for and may even make him/her feel manipulated.</p>
<p>The only way those words can be positive (imo) is if there&#8217;s enough relationship by that time for the person to believe they are liked/cared for and so they&#8217;ll heard it as a both/and, not an either/or.</p>
<blockquote><p>How are the unsaved eventually to open the door for us to share more information about Christ if they don’t even know it is He who we represent? Why would they bother to ask us about Him if it isn’t known at some point we are Christian?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty hard to hide being a Christian from anyone you spend time with. It&#8217;s going to come up somehow &#8211; what&#8217;s on your bookshelf, how you spend Sundays, what else you do outside work. If they like you they&#8217;ll be curious about your life.</p>
<p>But also, DE presupposes God wants to be found. Which means he can be trusted to be part of the process, creating opportunities when the time is right.</p>
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