Comments on: The Leadership Summit 08 http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/ What if evangelism meant just being yourself? Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:41:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Randy Siever http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17823 Randy Siever Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:53:31 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17823 Thanks, Ramiro. I was interested in this comment: <blockquote>As far as not being a fan of “big shows,” I am more impressed with what is happening in frontline ministries that are serving the underresourced and do not get much attention. </blockquote> This made me think about the two or three amazing ministries that were featured at the Summit that I had never heard of. They would be considered 'frontline' I think (the prison deal and Teach Across America), both serving the under-resourced, but it was precisely BECAUSE of this particular big show that they got some HUGE attention. So does that make any difference? Does the big show have a place? Can it serve the frontline ministries in ways that nothing else can? I don't know for sure...just wondering. I struggle with what I refer to as the "big box" churches for other reasons, but your point is, I think, important. I guess my question revolves around whether or not the big box, big show church has a place and role in the future, or if it is simply a dinosaur that needs to sink into the tar pits (as some have suggested will indeed happen)? Can they be reformed to serve in new and different ways, or are they just beyond redemption and need to be dismantled? Thanks, Ramiro. I was interested in this comment:

As far as not being a fan of “big shows,” I am more impressed with what is happening in frontline ministries that are serving the underresourced and do not get much attention.

This made me think about the two or three amazing ministries that were featured at the Summit that I had never heard of. They would be considered ‘frontline’ I think (the prison deal and Teach Across America), both serving the under-resourced, but it was precisely BECAUSE of this particular big show that they got some HUGE attention. So does that make any difference? Does the big show have a place? Can it serve the frontline ministries in ways that nothing else can? I don’t know for sure…just wondering. I struggle with what I refer to as the “big box” churches for other reasons, but your point is, I think, important.

I guess my question revolves around whether or not the big box, big show church has a place and role in the future, or if it is simply a dinosaur that needs to sink into the tar pits (as some have suggested will indeed happen)? Can they be reformed to serve in new and different ways, or are they just beyond redemption and need to be dismantled?

]]> By: Ramiro Medrano http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17822 Ramiro Medrano Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:43:11 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17822 Randy: I am not living anywhere near the Reno/Sparks area. As far as not being a fan of "big shows," I am more impressed with what is happening in frontline ministries that are serving the underresourced and do not get much attention. They have to make it all happen without the hype and hurrah or budget for that matter. Unfortunately, that means they will usually not get to apply "big show" practices unless they read about it and it applies to their specific context. An example is what I learned in the Urban setting all these years later that can now be applied to the Suburban setting due to all of the displacement that has been created through gentrification (or revitalization or demographic inversion, whichever term is palatable and popular at the moment). There are quite a few municipalities that are now considering ways of addressing what were once considered "urban issues." Forging the Tools for Unity A Report on Metro Chicago’s Mayor's Roundtables on Latino Integration, November 2007, gives insight into my thinking. To add further clarification, I had the blessing of applying some of the principles I learned from the "big show" to ministry, but the model at times, really strayed from the traditional one. Randy:
I am not living anywhere near the Reno/Sparks area. As far as not being a fan of “big shows,” I am more impressed with what is happening in frontline ministries that are serving the underresourced and do not get much attention. They have to make it all happen without the hype and hurrah or budget for that matter. Unfortunately, that means they will usually not get to apply “big show” practices unless they read about it and it applies to their specific context. An example is what I learned in the Urban setting all these years later that can now be applied to the Suburban setting due to all of the displacement that has been created through gentrification (or revitalization or demographic inversion, whichever term is palatable and popular at the moment). There are quite a few municipalities that are now considering ways of addressing what were once considered “urban issues.” Forging the Tools for Unity
A Report on Metro Chicago’s Mayor’s Roundtables on Latino Integration, November 2007, gives insight into my thinking. To add further clarification, I had the blessing of applying some of the principles I learned from the “big show” to ministry, but the model at times, really strayed from the traditional one.

]]> By: Randy http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17788 Randy Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:29:51 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17788 Ramiro, I attended a satellite location here in Sparks, NV (Art made that possible for me and Sandy), so it wasn't such a "near miss" as you thought (unless you're now living in the Reno/Sparks area!). I'd like to hear why the big show isn't a draw for you, too...given that you have worked for one of the biggest shows on earth! Can you express your thoughts on this a bit more? Mel, Thanks. I liked the guitar player, too, but probably not for the same reason (the old guy lead guitar rocked). The band in general was really good. Elaine, Those two women just wowed everyone. Really worth the price of admission just to hear them. Ramiro,
I attended a satellite location here in Sparks, NV (Art made that possible for me and Sandy), so it wasn’t such a “near miss” as you thought (unless you’re now living in the Reno/Sparks area!). I’d like to hear why the big show isn’t a draw for you, too…given that you have worked for one of the biggest shows on earth! Can you express your thoughts on this a bit more?

Mel,
Thanks. I liked the guitar player, too, but probably not for the same reason (the old guy lead guitar rocked). The band in general was really good.

Elaine,
Those two women just wowed everyone. Really worth the price of admission just to hear them.

]]> By: Ramiro Medrano http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17787 Ramiro Medrano Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:28:49 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17787 It's not that I don't attend them, but dread the hype. I was formerly involved with a couple of well known national organizations and sometimes feel that we as Christians create an event driven culture that lacks in providing practical application of it's challenge. Previously mentioned examples would require criticism with regards to racial reconciliation and the accountability required to make that happen. Just my personal opinion. I have been to the last three summits and walked away with lots of thought and challenge to make things happen, only obstacle is like minded and hearted people to take it to the next level, especially when it comes to compassion and justice. It’s not that I don’t attend them, but dread the hype. I was formerly involved with a couple of well known national organizations and sometimes feel that we as Christians create an event driven culture that lacks in providing practical application of it’s challenge. Previously mentioned examples would require criticism with regards to racial reconciliation and the accountability required to make that happen. Just my personal opinion. I have been to the last three summits and walked away with lots of thought and challenge to make things happen, only obstacle is like minded and hearted people to take it to the next level, especially when it comes to compassion and justice.

]]> By: Art Lenon http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17786 Art Lenon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:41:36 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17786 ramiro, as the host pastor of the leadership summit site here in the truckee meadows, i'm curious why you don't attend events like this? just curious, not contentious! art ramiro,

as the host pastor of the leadership summit site here in the truckee meadows, i’m curious why you don’t attend events like this? just curious, not contentious!

art

]]> By: Melodie http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17785 Melodie Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:23:59 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17785 Randy, this is a very comprehensive yet succinct summary and review. I can't believe your memory for details. Thanks for refreshing mine with your impressions. My take was very similar, though I'll add that one of the highlights for me was that sexy rhythm guitar player! :-o (That wasn't very spiritual, was it? Don't tell Dave!) Randy, this is a very comprehensive yet succinct summary and review. I can’t believe your memory for details. Thanks for refreshing mine with your impressions. My take was very similar, though I’ll add that one of the highlights for me was that sexy rhythm guitar player! :-o

(That wasn’t very spiritual, was it? Don’t tell Dave!)

]]> By: Elaine http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17784 Elaine Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:45:45 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17784 Great review Randy. Thanks. I've gone in the past, but not for several years now. Based on what I have read and videos I've watched, both Wendy Kopp and Catherine Rohr are doing amazing work to change the future of education. Maybe I should have gone. Maybe next year. Thanks. Great review Randy. Thanks. I’ve gone in the past, but not for several years now.

Based on what I have read and videos I’ve watched, both Wendy Kopp and Catherine Rohr are doing amazing work to change the future of education.

Maybe I should have gone. Maybe next year.

Thanks.

]]> By: Ramiro Medrano http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17783 Ramiro Medrano Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:40:17 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17783 Hey Randy, I wish I had known that you were going to be here. I would have scheduled some time tobe with you old friend. Thanks for the great encouragement regarding the summit. I thoroughly enjoyed it myself and stand in a similar place with you as you know, specifically the description of why you don't attend events like this. Peace brother. Ramiro Hey Randy,
I wish I had known that you were going to be here. I would have scheduled some time tobe with you old friend. Thanks for the great encouragement regarding the summit. I thoroughly enjoyed it myself and stand in a similar place with you as you know, specifically the description of why you don’t attend events like this. Peace brother.
Ramiro

]]> By: Randy http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17782 Randy Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:26:04 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17782 Art, There's almost no way to answer that question diplomatically, except to say that I'm just happy to be running at all...with anyone. But Dan does have some really fine hair... Art,
There’s almost no way to answer that question diplomatically, except to say that I’m just happy to be running at all…with anyone.

But Dan does have some really fine hair…

]]> By: Art Lenon http://doableevangelism.com/2008/08/09/the-leadership-summit-08/comment-page-1/#comment-17781 Art Lenon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:10:15 +0000 http://doableevangelism.com/?p=862#comment-17781 Randy, why would you run with Dan, when you run with me. Art Randy, why would you run with Dan, when you run with me.

Art

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