Early Reflections on Mainline Evangelism
By Randy Siever (filling in for April Terry, who will be back next week!)
I’m fairly new to the denominational world. I’ve had no experience or background in it, having attended mainly independent, evangelical churches most of my Christian life. My final stop with that model was what is usually called a “mega-church”, because it was over 2000 in attendance on weekends. I was one of (at one point) ten pastors on staff, and I lasted nine years there. I resigned with no idea what would happen next, or if I would ever go back to a church of
any kind. The reasons were too complex to explain here, but I was done.
Almost two years later I found myself attending a very small Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in our town. I had been exploring various forms of worship in the liturgical realm and nearly became an Anglican, but I was tired of fighting all the time, and the Anglican Communion was, at the time, fighting loudly and publicly among themselves. I had enough chaos inside me, thank you.
So my “Crappy Little Church,” as I initially referred to First Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) was just the right medicine for my soul. It was liturgy lite, but enough to connect me with some traditions that were older than me or the modern era. It was also the anti-mega-church in virtually every way. No large building, no sound system, no smoke machine, no band, no coffee shop inside (just a coffee maker, which somebody needed to fire up each morning). No performances of any kind. We sang (and still do most Sundays) to recorded music. Which was ok because worship wasn’t a 30 minute music set; it was everything that happened during the hour or so we gathered. And there was communion every week, open to anyone who felt led to join in. I was quite taken from the very first visit. I chuckled at the lack of polish and perfection and performance. On our very first visit, they used rainbow colored goldfish crackers for communion because that’s what they had. That was somehow so touching to me that it made me cry.
When we first started attending there were usually about ten to 15 people on Sunday morning. In the two years we’ve been members there our attendance has doubled to about 30. We can seat about 80, maximum, in our little chapel and then we’ll have to talk about a second service or a second church somewhere else. I rather like that the building limits our ability to get big, but then that’s probably just a little baggage left over from my mega-church days. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it was a healing balm for me.
I got commissioned, and then ordained, this year, so I’m officially part of the DOC for life. NO idea what that means or where it will lead me, but I like being part of something larger than the local church, and I love that my ordination is now nationally recognized and permanent (even if it does raise a few eyebrows among my more conservative evangelical friends). Depending on what part of the country you live in, a DOC church can be anywhere from nearly New Age to your hyper-fundamentalist Bible church. We span the spectrum of theology and doctrine, but are united in the mission to love God and love our neighbors (all of them) and make disciples of Jesus. We can (and do) disagree with each other about what we think are critical doctrinal issues, but still come to the Table of Christ together each week. I like that a lot. It reminded me of some well used marriage counseling advice I’ve given over the years: “Do you want to be right, or do you want to be in this relationship?” It’s not that there isn’t a “right”, but relationships are way more important than the right to be right. At least Jesus seemed to think so.
I’ve recently completed four, day-long Doable Evangelism seminars with the DOC in our region (the northern CA/NV region). We have a very diverse region in every way imaginable, which is saying a lot for the DOC which is pretty diverse in general. They all seemed to LOVE the paradigm shift for evangelism that I presented, and I was able to sell twelve DE Course sets over the four seminars. That means some of them are going to teach the principles at their church themselves. I couldn’t be happier.
But these seminars also gave me a birds eye perspective of my fellow DOC clan, at least in this part of the country. I got to meet a LOT of people from over 40 congregations. I got to hear from lay leaders and clergy from Fresno to Watsonville to Sacramento to Chico. It was pretty awesome, frankly, and a unique snapshot opportunity that not many folks, outside the regional minister, get.
And you know what? No matter what the church or individual in it believed, they all want desperately to connect others outside the church to Jesus Christ. They were all willing to explore the spiritual practices we presented, to practice them and to teach them to others for the sake of making disciples of Jesus (and not just Disciples of Christ…the brand).
I found this also true in my experiences with the Presbyterian church, the Foursquare church, and even the Eastern Orthodox church. All across America and Canada I have heard one common passion expressed in the widest variety of churches imaginable: How can we be faithful to the Great Commission (make disciples) and the Great Commandment (Love God, love your neighbor) in the culture that we live in today? Evangelism is the common thread that ties us all together, no matter what our differences may be. Mission is critical to unity, and it doesn’t depend on uniformity to get ‘er done.
This is not to say that I haven’t seen self-serving motivation as well. Some churches are clearly dying and are desperate to do whatever they need to do to salvage their buildings and history. If they don’t get people into their building soon (like in the next five years) they will literally die out. Most of them are just five or ten years from literally taking their last breath. But that has not been the dominant theme, as I expected, so I am quite encouraged.
Doable Evangelism seems to hold some concrete answers to engaging with the culture we currently live in, and the mainline churches (who were NOT the original market for the DE seminar, by the way) seem to be eager to not only hear about new ideas, but to DO them as well.
Thanks be to God.
(I have a few more thoughts connected to this, so stay tuned for a “Part Two” this week)
August 13th, 2012 · 7 Comments
Categories: DE Thoughts




Howard Schultz said
am August 14 2012 @ 11:43 pm
Randy, I like, please correct me if i am wrong here, does DE see, believe that the believer in Christ, his new home is in the heavens, where Christ is seated, and the true church is at, that God pitched not man?
Then those that know this are put back here on the earth as Ambassadors representing the peace, Joy and righteousness in The Holy Spirit
Just a Question
Thanks Howard
Randy Siever said
am August 15 2012 @ 3:11 pm
Hi Howard! I don’t quite understand your question, so I won’t try to answer it yet. But I will say that DE as an organization has no particular set of doctrines it subscribes to. It’s just an entity made up and run by a wide variety of people who may or may not share the exact same beliefs about anything. It’s just an internet platform to share a few ideas about the spiritual practice of evangelism, mostly. Nobody here is an expert, and we hope everyone here is committed to a lifelong journey of learning and listening and growing in our understanding.
I, naturally, have a variety of positions I currently hold on nearly every subject, and am far too often willing to express them! So if you would like my opinion on something specific (as you clearly tried to do above…I just can’t make it out), please try to restate your question and I’ll see if I can express my view.
Thanks for being part of the DE family!
Howard Schultz said
am August 15 2012 @ 5:38 pm
I will try to put it well, but I think you already answered it quite well, there is no subjective living here at DE. We all are free to express our thoughts and not condemn, love it.
What I was referring to in Scripture is God to me his Church, is in heaven the one God built not man, I think in Hebrews 8, also in acts, one place where Stephen was stoned to death for saying God does not reside in buildings. the other place in Corinthians where Paul stated that we are citizens of heaven, and put back here on earth as ambassadors.
You talked about church and closing doors and I am saying there is no place of true worship except in Spirit and truth. Get togethers are well, as in fellowship, to help each other grow and all can talk their opinion as what is being done here, which is not a church it is an Ecclesia as in the original greek translation. So I guess what I am asking is what do you think about what I am saying. Share please for there is no right or wrong
Randy Siever said
am August 15 2012 @ 5:54 pm
Thanks for the clarification, Howard. That helps a lot.
I like Paul’s description of the church (which is the word in english that ecclesia is translated as…not a particularly good translation as you have noted) in 1 Corinthians 12:27-31 where he compares the church to a body (this is from The Message version):
“You are Christ’s body—that’s who you are! You must never forget this. Only as you accept your part of that body does your “part” mean anything. You’re familiar with some of the parts that God has formed in his church, which is his “body”:
apostles
prophets
teachers
miracle workers
healers
helpers
organizers
those who pray in tongues.
But it’s obvious by now, isn’t it, that Christ’s church is a complete Body and not a gigantic, unidimensional Part? It’s not all Apostle, not all Prophet, not all Miracle Worker, not all Healer, not all Prayer in Tongues, not all Interpreter of Tongues. And yet some of you keep competing for so-called “important” parts.
But now I want to lay out a far better way for you.”
I understand the church (ecclesia) to be the physical manifestation of Jesus Christ here on earth, and the imperfect bride of Christ. It is both a spiritual entity and a very human/physical entity made up of many parts. It is not and has never been a building, but many people today mean the building when they say “church”, so we have to appreciate the various meanings (even if they are technically wrong). The ecclesia is the body of Christ gathered. That’s it. It gathers here on earth for now.
So I think I agree with your view, if I have understood it well enough. It’s what I understand and believe currently about the church. But I’m still learning and most of my understandings keep stretching and transforming…as does my life (thanks be to God).
Randy Siever said
am August 15 2012 @ 5:56 pm
A friend once told me, “The church is what’s left when the building burns down.” I like that.
Howard Schultz said
am August 15 2012 @ 8:32 pm
Yes i like that as well, so when is the building going to burn down.
And my understanding keeps growing and learning, I believe that it is the truth that sets one free. So if I am in bondage then there would have to error in my truth and need to reexamine my truth in order to be free to do what is right that is, avoiding taking grace as an occassion for sin, especially as an excuse
Thanks, let us keep growing as who God made us to be, and I think that as long as all ends in love we are good for it is love that goes on forever at the end of the differant parts of the body described, Faith , hope and love and it is love that goes on forever
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